I asked KC once what his longest birdie streak ever at Cliff Stephens was...he said holes 1-14. Hard to compare competitions when tech and course design is much more advanced now. He was also from a different era in the sport and people will play that card. Because he has been injured the last few years and no one sees him on YouTube. Future generations never match the dominance of the pioneers in a sport because the competition is always increasing. Feldberg. That doesn't mean that current top pro's wouldn't all beat Climo in his prime though. Climo's mental game had to be superior to consistently close out others who had similar skill sets and sometimes more like Stokely, Randolph and Crazy with solid forehands. Why does ratings inflation exist? Gretzky vs Crosby... all the same arguments. Aaron Howard is a Visiting Assistant Professor at Franklin & Marshall College. I was coming in here to write McBeth over Climo, but then I had a thought that changed my mind. And they all got beat by Climo year after year, and while in their prime. The little video there is of him he’s parking it practically every drive. Who cares enough about saying people shouldn't care to post a meme about it? (Meant for the post two up). This whole thread draws a blank. Edit: Schultz and Brinster finished first and second in the USDGC in just 2013! It's mind blowing to think that someone could win 12 world titles in any individual sport. But one question... How could you not include Ricky Wysocki in his list of competition?

I suspect Climo still has better overall Frisbee skills than our top young disc golfers other than perhaps Nikko who comes more from the Frisbee direction than any of them. How would you rate prime-form Climo Vs 2019 McBeth? Mcbeth is an iPhone X. Kenny is the champ no matter what, but Paul is playing VS a much stronger field and is clearly a superior player. I actually intended to include Ricky, but when I got to him in the list, my brain drew a blank.

McBeth maybe 5th at this point in time..... a USDGC would go a long way, seems to be out of his grasp...any excuses?

The same could be said for Babe Ruth I guess. These guys are still that good and Climo stands head and shoulders above them. Future generations never match the dominance of the pioneers in a sport because the competition is always increasing. Even if half of McBeth’s rating increase since the beginning of 2012, the year he won his first world championship, was removed because of inflation, his current rating would still be nearly 1050. All rights reserved. Inflation is real, but does it explain McBeth's 1062? In fact, McBeth’s 1062 bests the champ himself, Ken Climo, and his peak rating of 1044 in 2003.

Why can't we just enjoy watching all of those players play amazing golf? McBeth could beat it if he finishes this year in first or second.

I wonder if it discouraged some people from going pro. Lol. I would kill to have known about DG when I was 5 or 6! Much harder to do than three times in a row while you're hot and playing the same top people. Babe Ruth or Prince Fielder. He will always be great but it will always be different. Paul McBeth Claims Season’s First PDGA National Tour Event. Like literally, I sat there doing nothing for 60 seconds trying to come up with his name. These guys are still that good and Climo … Absolutely not. Climo vs. McBeth vs. (insert next dominant player) Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. What KC did should never really be discounted. What have you done for me lately?

But is rating inflation the only reason McBeth’s rating has hit this new high? Climo was undoubtedly the Champ although we saw less of that ourselves as the total domination had ended by that period and other contenders were coming through. Climo can still compete today.

But he had gotten an engineering degree and a real job and never could focus just on disc golf. Why did you EMPHASIZE McBeth's consecutive wins but not mention Climos? The inflation penalty is much larger for McBeth than Climo. He loves to play disc golf and to think about things he loves quantitatively. ... Ken Climo - PDGA #4297 - Innova Team Captain 2011-2015, PDGA Hall of Fame 1995, 12-time PDGA World Champion, 5-time US Disc Golf Champion, 2012,...More.

But that doesn’t take much away from his legacy for me. You’d think being World Champ more than 10 times would make him god Status, but it doesn’t seem like people recognize him like similar greats in other sports such as Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky or Babe Ruth. shows it at around 0.7 ratings points per year. Contact him at ahoward1@fandm.edu and follow him on Instagram.

Can you imagine a young champ with Wraiths in his bag? I'm not saying Paul McBeth can't be the best because right now he is in a league of his own, but as of now Climo is still the best imo with McBeth behind him and then a slew of disc golfers in the next tier, Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page, http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ab/ab54a...49a3cea5c3.jpg. I was rooting for Doss last year because I thought perhaps a rivalry would form, but he was defeated by the same person... again... for the third time in a row.

Ken Climo is a Aries and was born in The Year of the Monkey Life.

Game has completely changed.

For those 2012 onwards with wall to wall McBeth Youtube coverage and wins I'd warrant most of them see McBeth as the GOAT. He would get it eventually but it would take a while. Consistent winning vs. flashes of brilliance.

TAGGED: Analysis, PDGA Player Ratings, Player Ratings, Ratings, Statistical Analysis, Well, the answer is yes and no.

Climo vs. McBeth vs. (insert next dominant player) Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. It's always fun watching younger players come up. To anyone playing the sport from before about 2006 he is and will always be "Champ" For those between 2006 and 2012 it's a toss up between the two, we still were aware of Climo and saw some of him through early Youtube videos and the stories of the old timers. Golf has such a mental aspect that he is just as impressive if not more. My estimate shows it at around 0.7 ratings points per year. KC hasn't been featured on post production at all in the youtube era, or at least it's a negligible non-zero amount, compared to McBeth. With limited disc technology, he dominated the sport by winning 12 disc golf world championships. Here are 2 videos of McBeth playing Cliff with old dx plastic just for comparison to KC's best round... ^^^People on DGCR care. The player base at the time was lower but the top players I feel would still be the top now. The following year (2014) Will Schusterick & Mcbeth took first and second, and 2015 was the year Paul won. A bit of cross-era supporting evidence of how good Kenny was - we can see on recent video how good Barry Schultz still is. It's difficult to win at the Open level, no matter when or where you're playing. Ken “The Champ” Climo is a professional disc golfer and considered by many … There's still lack of data to compare Climo and McBeth at their peaks.

Barry had a really hard time beating KC for a lot of years, and Barry is considered one of the best of all time to every throw a disc. People in this thread keep talking about the competition being better now and as a player from the early '90s to early 2000's I can tell you the biggest difference is the disc and plastic tech. I couldn't make that judgement, since I never saw the Champ play in his prime. Rating inflation does exist. Once the PDGA tournament history gets online going back from 2000, we'll be able to calculate ratings and compare tournament info more easily. ↩. McBeth carries 7 Destroyers. Being 2nd in the world is great but it's also April. No question that McBeth has a better forehand and throws longer than Ken currently. Whatever the exact value, it is a fact that on average player ratings across the board are going up.1.

Here are the actual Yearend World Rankings of these players since 2006.

How To Gain Distance And Raise Your Rating: Part 1, DGPT Championship: Jones Earns Major Payday, DGPT Championship: King Prevails In Playoff Over Pierce, DGPT Championship: Heimburg Looks Out For Blood, DGPT Championship: All Things Even As A Couple Favorites Advance To Finals. My little brothers are already killing it. Edit: looks like I'm getting downvoted because people have feelings about Paul. The PDGA’s estimate from 2009 is a bit higher. And someone makes a list because their name is on a disc? Ken Climo was born in Florida, United States on Wednesday, March 27, 1968 (Generation X). However, Ken was at his peak when a forehand wasn't critical and he threw farther than necessary for the courses of his era with slower discs than today.

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I asked KC once what his longest birdie streak ever at Cliff Stephens was...he said holes 1-14. Hard to compare competitions when tech and course design is much more advanced now. He was also from a different era in the sport and people will play that card. Because he has been injured the last few years and no one sees him on YouTube. Future generations never match the dominance of the pioneers in a sport because the competition is always increasing. Feldberg. That doesn't mean that current top pro's wouldn't all beat Climo in his prime though. Climo's mental game had to be superior to consistently close out others who had similar skill sets and sometimes more like Stokely, Randolph and Crazy with solid forehands. Why does ratings inflation exist? Gretzky vs Crosby... all the same arguments. Aaron Howard is a Visiting Assistant Professor at Franklin & Marshall College. I was coming in here to write McBeth over Climo, but then I had a thought that changed my mind. And they all got beat by Climo year after year, and while in their prime. The little video there is of him he’s parking it practically every drive. Who cares enough about saying people shouldn't care to post a meme about it? (Meant for the post two up). This whole thread draws a blank. Edit: Schultz and Brinster finished first and second in the USDGC in just 2013! It's mind blowing to think that someone could win 12 world titles in any individual sport. But one question... How could you not include Ricky Wysocki in his list of competition?

I suspect Climo still has better overall Frisbee skills than our top young disc golfers other than perhaps Nikko who comes more from the Frisbee direction than any of them. How would you rate prime-form Climo Vs 2019 McBeth? Mcbeth is an iPhone X. Kenny is the champ no matter what, but Paul is playing VS a much stronger field and is clearly a superior player. I actually intended to include Ricky, but when I got to him in the list, my brain drew a blank.

McBeth maybe 5th at this point in time..... a USDGC would go a long way, seems to be out of his grasp...any excuses?

The same could be said for Babe Ruth I guess. These guys are still that good and Climo stands head and shoulders above them. Future generations never match the dominance of the pioneers in a sport because the competition is always increasing. Even if half of McBeth’s rating increase since the beginning of 2012, the year he won his first world championship, was removed because of inflation, his current rating would still be nearly 1050. All rights reserved. Inflation is real, but does it explain McBeth's 1062? In fact, McBeth’s 1062 bests the champ himself, Ken Climo, and his peak rating of 1044 in 2003.

Why can't we just enjoy watching all of those players play amazing golf? McBeth could beat it if he finishes this year in first or second.

I wonder if it discouraged some people from going pro. Lol. I would kill to have known about DG when I was 5 or 6! Much harder to do than three times in a row while you're hot and playing the same top people. Babe Ruth or Prince Fielder. He will always be great but it will always be different. Paul McBeth Claims Season’s First PDGA National Tour Event. Like literally, I sat there doing nothing for 60 seconds trying to come up with his name. These guys are still that good and Climo … Absolutely not. Climo vs. McBeth vs. (insert next dominant player) Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. What KC did should never really be discounted. What have you done for me lately?

But is rating inflation the only reason McBeth’s rating has hit this new high? Climo was undoubtedly the Champ although we saw less of that ourselves as the total domination had ended by that period and other contenders were coming through. Climo can still compete today.

But he had gotten an engineering degree and a real job and never could focus just on disc golf. Why did you EMPHASIZE McBeth's consecutive wins but not mention Climos? The inflation penalty is much larger for McBeth than Climo. He loves to play disc golf and to think about things he loves quantitatively. ... Ken Climo - PDGA #4297 - Innova Team Captain 2011-2015, PDGA Hall of Fame 1995, 12-time PDGA World Champion, 5-time US Disc Golf Champion, 2012,...More.

But that doesn’t take much away from his legacy for me. You’d think being World Champ more than 10 times would make him god Status, but it doesn’t seem like people recognize him like similar greats in other sports such as Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky or Babe Ruth. shows it at around 0.7 ratings points per year. Contact him at ahoward1@fandm.edu and follow him on Instagram.

Can you imagine a young champ with Wraiths in his bag? I'm not saying Paul McBeth can't be the best because right now he is in a league of his own, but as of now Climo is still the best imo with McBeth behind him and then a slew of disc golfers in the next tier, Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page, http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ab/ab54a...49a3cea5c3.jpg. I was rooting for Doss last year because I thought perhaps a rivalry would form, but he was defeated by the same person... again... for the third time in a row.

Ken Climo is a Aries and was born in The Year of the Monkey Life.

Game has completely changed.

For those 2012 onwards with wall to wall McBeth Youtube coverage and wins I'd warrant most of them see McBeth as the GOAT. He would get it eventually but it would take a while. Consistent winning vs. flashes of brilliance.

TAGGED: Analysis, PDGA Player Ratings, Player Ratings, Ratings, Statistical Analysis, Well, the answer is yes and no.

Climo vs. McBeth vs. (insert next dominant player) Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. It's always fun watching younger players come up. To anyone playing the sport from before about 2006 he is and will always be "Champ" For those between 2006 and 2012 it's a toss up between the two, we still were aware of Climo and saw some of him through early Youtube videos and the stories of the old timers. Golf has such a mental aspect that he is just as impressive if not more. My estimate shows it at around 0.7 ratings points per year. KC hasn't been featured on post production at all in the youtube era, or at least it's a negligible non-zero amount, compared to McBeth. With limited disc technology, he dominated the sport by winning 12 disc golf world championships. Here are 2 videos of McBeth playing Cliff with old dx plastic just for comparison to KC's best round... ^^^People on DGCR care. The player base at the time was lower but the top players I feel would still be the top now. The following year (2014) Will Schusterick & Mcbeth took first and second, and 2015 was the year Paul won. A bit of cross-era supporting evidence of how good Kenny was - we can see on recent video how good Barry Schultz still is. It's difficult to win at the Open level, no matter when or where you're playing. Ken “The Champ” Climo is a professional disc golfer and considered by many … There's still lack of data to compare Climo and McBeth at their peaks.

Barry had a really hard time beating KC for a lot of years, and Barry is considered one of the best of all time to every throw a disc. People in this thread keep talking about the competition being better now and as a player from the early '90s to early 2000's I can tell you the biggest difference is the disc and plastic tech. I couldn't make that judgement, since I never saw the Champ play in his prime. Rating inflation does exist. Once the PDGA tournament history gets online going back from 2000, we'll be able to calculate ratings and compare tournament info more easily. ↩. McBeth carries 7 Destroyers. Being 2nd in the world is great but it's also April. No question that McBeth has a better forehand and throws longer than Ken currently. Whatever the exact value, it is a fact that on average player ratings across the board are going up.1.

Here are the actual Yearend World Rankings of these players since 2006.

How To Gain Distance And Raise Your Rating: Part 1, DGPT Championship: Jones Earns Major Payday, DGPT Championship: King Prevails In Playoff Over Pierce, DGPT Championship: Heimburg Looks Out For Blood, DGPT Championship: All Things Even As A Couple Favorites Advance To Finals. My little brothers are already killing it. Edit: looks like I'm getting downvoted because people have feelings about Paul. The PDGA’s estimate from 2009 is a bit higher. And someone makes a list because their name is on a disc? Ken Climo was born in Florida, United States on Wednesday, March 27, 1968 (Generation X). However, Ken was at his peak when a forehand wasn't critical and he threw farther than necessary for the courses of his era with slower discs than today.

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ken climo vs paul mcbeth

All of those old guard guys finished ahead of these cats this year: Anthony Barella, Adam Hammes, Sepo, Albert "the bazooka" Tam, Alex Russell, Joel Freeman, Matt Bell, Zach Melton.... You get the idea. Rating inflation does exist. Had all Worlds in the last few years been the old long format I think he would have had another couple of titles under his belt as well. Paul McBeth Doesn’t Buy Into Inflated Player Ratings, Well, the answer is yes and no. Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. 3 in 6 is not more impressive than 3 in a row imo. Since 2012, McBeth’s rating has gone up at a rate of just over two points per year,2 which is well above my and the PDGA’s estimates of inflation.

I asked KC once what his longest birdie streak ever at Cliff Stephens was...he said holes 1-14. Hard to compare competitions when tech and course design is much more advanced now. He was also from a different era in the sport and people will play that card. Because he has been injured the last few years and no one sees him on YouTube. Future generations never match the dominance of the pioneers in a sport because the competition is always increasing. Feldberg. That doesn't mean that current top pro's wouldn't all beat Climo in his prime though. Climo's mental game had to be superior to consistently close out others who had similar skill sets and sometimes more like Stokely, Randolph and Crazy with solid forehands. Why does ratings inflation exist? Gretzky vs Crosby... all the same arguments. Aaron Howard is a Visiting Assistant Professor at Franklin & Marshall College. I was coming in here to write McBeth over Climo, but then I had a thought that changed my mind. And they all got beat by Climo year after year, and while in their prime. The little video there is of him he’s parking it practically every drive. Who cares enough about saying people shouldn't care to post a meme about it? (Meant for the post two up). This whole thread draws a blank. Edit: Schultz and Brinster finished first and second in the USDGC in just 2013! It's mind blowing to think that someone could win 12 world titles in any individual sport. But one question... How could you not include Ricky Wysocki in his list of competition?

I suspect Climo still has better overall Frisbee skills than our top young disc golfers other than perhaps Nikko who comes more from the Frisbee direction than any of them. How would you rate prime-form Climo Vs 2019 McBeth? Mcbeth is an iPhone X. Kenny is the champ no matter what, but Paul is playing VS a much stronger field and is clearly a superior player. I actually intended to include Ricky, but when I got to him in the list, my brain drew a blank.

McBeth maybe 5th at this point in time..... a USDGC would go a long way, seems to be out of his grasp...any excuses?

The same could be said for Babe Ruth I guess. These guys are still that good and Climo stands head and shoulders above them. Future generations never match the dominance of the pioneers in a sport because the competition is always increasing. Even if half of McBeth’s rating increase since the beginning of 2012, the year he won his first world championship, was removed because of inflation, his current rating would still be nearly 1050. All rights reserved. Inflation is real, but does it explain McBeth's 1062? In fact, McBeth’s 1062 bests the champ himself, Ken Climo, and his peak rating of 1044 in 2003.

Why can't we just enjoy watching all of those players play amazing golf? McBeth could beat it if he finishes this year in first or second.

I wonder if it discouraged some people from going pro. Lol. I would kill to have known about DG when I was 5 or 6! Much harder to do than three times in a row while you're hot and playing the same top people. Babe Ruth or Prince Fielder. He will always be great but it will always be different. Paul McBeth Claims Season’s First PDGA National Tour Event. Like literally, I sat there doing nothing for 60 seconds trying to come up with his name. These guys are still that good and Climo … Absolutely not. Climo vs. McBeth vs. (insert next dominant player) Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. What KC did should never really be discounted. What have you done for me lately?

But is rating inflation the only reason McBeth’s rating has hit this new high? Climo was undoubtedly the Champ although we saw less of that ourselves as the total domination had ended by that period and other contenders were coming through. Climo can still compete today.

But he had gotten an engineering degree and a real job and never could focus just on disc golf. Why did you EMPHASIZE McBeth's consecutive wins but not mention Climos? The inflation penalty is much larger for McBeth than Climo. He loves to play disc golf and to think about things he loves quantitatively. ... Ken Climo - PDGA #4297 - Innova Team Captain 2011-2015, PDGA Hall of Fame 1995, 12-time PDGA World Champion, 5-time US Disc Golf Champion, 2012,...More.

But that doesn’t take much away from his legacy for me. You’d think being World Champ more than 10 times would make him god Status, but it doesn’t seem like people recognize him like similar greats in other sports such as Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky or Babe Ruth. shows it at around 0.7 ratings points per year. Contact him at ahoward1@fandm.edu and follow him on Instagram.

Can you imagine a young champ with Wraiths in his bag? I'm not saying Paul McBeth can't be the best because right now he is in a league of his own, but as of now Climo is still the best imo with McBeth behind him and then a slew of disc golfers in the next tier, Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page, http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ab/ab54a...49a3cea5c3.jpg. I was rooting for Doss last year because I thought perhaps a rivalry would form, but he was defeated by the same person... again... for the third time in a row.

Ken Climo is a Aries and was born in The Year of the Monkey Life.

Game has completely changed.

For those 2012 onwards with wall to wall McBeth Youtube coverage and wins I'd warrant most of them see McBeth as the GOAT. He would get it eventually but it would take a while. Consistent winning vs. flashes of brilliance.

TAGGED: Analysis, PDGA Player Ratings, Player Ratings, Ratings, Statistical Analysis, Well, the answer is yes and no.

Climo vs. McBeth vs. (insert next dominant player) Many people regard Ken Climo as the best disc golfer to ever play the game. It's always fun watching younger players come up. To anyone playing the sport from before about 2006 he is and will always be "Champ" For those between 2006 and 2012 it's a toss up between the two, we still were aware of Climo and saw some of him through early Youtube videos and the stories of the old timers. Golf has such a mental aspect that he is just as impressive if not more. My estimate shows it at around 0.7 ratings points per year. KC hasn't been featured on post production at all in the youtube era, or at least it's a negligible non-zero amount, compared to McBeth. With limited disc technology, he dominated the sport by winning 12 disc golf world championships. Here are 2 videos of McBeth playing Cliff with old dx plastic just for comparison to KC's best round... ^^^People on DGCR care. The player base at the time was lower but the top players I feel would still be the top now. The following year (2014) Will Schusterick & Mcbeth took first and second, and 2015 was the year Paul won. A bit of cross-era supporting evidence of how good Kenny was - we can see on recent video how good Barry Schultz still is. It's difficult to win at the Open level, no matter when or where you're playing. Ken “The Champ” Climo is a professional disc golfer and considered by many … There's still lack of data to compare Climo and McBeth at their peaks.

Barry had a really hard time beating KC for a lot of years, and Barry is considered one of the best of all time to every throw a disc. People in this thread keep talking about the competition being better now and as a player from the early '90s to early 2000's I can tell you the biggest difference is the disc and plastic tech. I couldn't make that judgement, since I never saw the Champ play in his prime. Rating inflation does exist. Once the PDGA tournament history gets online going back from 2000, we'll be able to calculate ratings and compare tournament info more easily. ↩. McBeth carries 7 Destroyers. Being 2nd in the world is great but it's also April. No question that McBeth has a better forehand and throws longer than Ken currently. Whatever the exact value, it is a fact that on average player ratings across the board are going up.1.

Here are the actual Yearend World Rankings of these players since 2006.

How To Gain Distance And Raise Your Rating: Part 1, DGPT Championship: Jones Earns Major Payday, DGPT Championship: King Prevails In Playoff Over Pierce, DGPT Championship: Heimburg Looks Out For Blood, DGPT Championship: All Things Even As A Couple Favorites Advance To Finals. My little brothers are already killing it. Edit: looks like I'm getting downvoted because people have feelings about Paul. The PDGA’s estimate from 2009 is a bit higher. And someone makes a list because their name is on a disc? Ken Climo was born in Florida, United States on Wednesday, March 27, 1968 (Generation X). However, Ken was at his peak when a forehand wasn't critical and he threw farther than necessary for the courses of his era with slower discs than today.

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